We know a landscape when we recognize it as such, but it is difficult to imagine a landscape that has not been seen before, that has not been visited, photographed, filmed for TV, or posted on the internet. The landscape cannot simply exist – like Wittgenstein’s conversation, it has to be communicable. There has to be a viewpoint. Where we place ourselves in this viewpoint is dependent on whether we see landscape as ideological or phenomenological. Either way, it can still be seen that the scope and scale of landscape means that it is still seen to “surpass” us, and in doing so it shapes us.